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Doubt and the Drug of Happiness

With grateful permission, I’m sharing this post from my Conscious Weddings E-Course forum. This will give you just a taste of the brilliant wisdom that often passes through the virtual doors of this very special forum via the words of the compassionate, supportive, wise women and men that are working their tails off to break through their relationship anxiety.

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I had these two MAJOR REVELATIONS running through my mind as I went to bed last night, and I forced myself to remember them! So thought I would share: (sorry to soapbox, it’s just a major mental breakthrough for me!)

1. You know the “doubt means don’t” thing – well I was thinking about what that all these experts and ‘people’ are saying and what Sheryl has just posted about in her blog / Oprah’s response, etc. Well, maybe there are two kinds of people: People who are unaware and people… Click here to continue reading…

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Mliz - May 15, 2012 - 10:51 am

I love this post, thanks so much for sharing! This is definitely a big problem of mine. It’s like I am waiting for/relying on my boyfriend to make me this super happy person – all bc of this ideal fairytale love i grew up believing in. I am a very happy person, and my boyfriend is one of a kind, I will never find anyone like him – but I cant seem to get over the “doubt means dont” thing. There are some thing in my life that I want to change, that I know will make me much happier…and I know only I have control over them..but for some reason, I can’t seem to do it, and I feel as tho I take it out on him (bc I am frustrated with myself), which then feeds the cycle “if he were the one, i wouldn’t feel like this, or treat him this way… therefore, he must not be the one, if I am having these doubts, etc…” I need to work on myself first before I can truly give all of my love to him. I admire so much the way he can give himself to me, and the way he just moves through life, without letting doubts or any anxieties get in the way. I wish I could give back to him, what he gives to me. Hopefully one day :) Sharon, or anyone else…any advice would be truly appreciated. Thanks!!

Lacy - May 15, 2012 - 11:08 am

Yes! I love this post simply because I feel like this is exactly where I am at myself. I struggled through a month and a half of fear and doubt- thinking I can’t get married! I can’t marry a guy I have doubts about! And almost ending my engagement. In working with a counselor I’ve come to look back and examine past relationships, and there were two that I loved deeply before meeting my fiancé. Both had red flags waving at me for the course of our entire relationship but I was young and thought that I could just my feelings and know that that was love. But it wasn’t. And now I am with an amazing guy who loves me and has stuck by me while trying to work through my engagement anxiety and I realize that the love he gives me is real love. It doesn’t come with conditions or a “what can I get out of this” attitude that those other guys put into our relationship. I’m so glad I am finally starting to see what a lasting and unselfish love looks like. It was a hard journey, and I’m not done yet. But I think I’m finally getting there, and I love reading these posts from other brides who know what it’s like. And I’m really proud of myself! I’m glad I can take that into my marriage. I read a blog post from another woman who said “I have to believe that my marriage will be stronger because it was the result of forging ahead in dark times and confusion to reach the other side.” I love that. Thanks for sharing this post!

Mliz - May 15, 2012 - 11:11 am

Sheryl** i just spoke to a sharon on the phone, sorry!!

Michelle - May 16, 2012 - 4:35 pm

If I applied “doubt means don’t” to other areas in my life aside from my relationship, there would be SO many amazing things that I would’ve missed out on. I think typically those of us who face doubts in our relationships also face doubts in a lot of other areas of our lives too. Anytime I do anything where risk is involved, my mind automatically questions and doubts – it’s just my nature. Some of my greatest accomplishments began with some serious inner chaos of doubt and questioning. I am sooooo thankful I never listened to the “doubt means don’t” people!

When You’re Not Attracted to Your Partner

It seems to be one the last taboos: alongside admitting that you’re not over-the-moon about being engaged and whispering to a friend that your desire for sex with your partner is at the bottom of your to-do list (yes, it’s become a “to-do”) is stating that you don’t find your partner physically attractive. What? In a culture that worships physical beauty and encourages you to place attraction somewhere near the first or second spot on a list of non-negotiables when choosing a marriage partner, admitting that you don’t always find your partner attractive is considered blasphemous and certainly a valid reason to walk away. So when clients and e-course members broach this topic with me, it’s with a great deal of trepidation and guilt, as if they’re committing a cardinal sin.

My first line of action is to reassure them that it’s normal and more common than they think. They… Click here to continue reading…

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Adelina - March 20, 2012 - 2:35 am

This post came exactly at the right time!For some reason,you always write about things that bother me exactly at the specific given time, Sheryl.It is so terrifying,though,that as soon as I have finished reading it and absorbing it,I still come back to some of my unpleasant thoughts.I can’t help thinking why I can feel the love for him, unconsciously do all the things I do for him, yet,I don’t feel the admiration,the excitement and the passion which are such an important part of my life.I believe I have made the right choice,I can see our yet not established wedding day,my graduation and all those important life events but I’m out of touch with reality now.Since he is my reality all the time(at least,he was until this anxiety kicked in),I’m frozen and lacking any motivation or ability to get excited.:(

Milla Atkins - March 20, 2012 - 10:03 am

Here is an authenticity challenge: I would ask that you and all of the women who follow this blog never again publish an airbrushed photo of themselves. Not in a video or photo on facebook or any other social media. This is how we will not only talk the talk, but also walk the walk.

Lauren - March 20, 2012 - 1:16 pm

I agree with Adelina completely on this one – this post came at the best time. My fiance and I just got into a discussion over this exact problem last night (God love him for listening to me and my anxiety over this stuff). It is a really scary feeling to not be attracted to your fiance or to not ever ‘be in the mood.’ I have been trying to work on it, but I’ve placed so much anxiety on the physical intimacy that now the thought of it makes me not want to do it! What’s crazy is that towards the beginning of our relationship, this was never an issue. Any more help on this topic is most appreciated. Thank you again Sheryl.

Harriet - March 20, 2012 - 3:24 pm

Thanks for this – it’s not directly relevant to me at the moment but I still got so much from it and I hope the wisdom stays with me.

Adelina - March 20, 2012 - 4:55 pm

I am so with you on this one,Lauren!The happy bit of it is that we are both lucky enough to have our men listen to us in a supportive way rather than jumping to hasty conclusions.It is indeed scary,especially when I am at work or at home while he is away and I get enthusiastic and feel an energy pouring into me,almost feeding my attraction to him…or when I look at photos and get the warm ajd fuzzy feeling…and then,the horrid moment:he comes home and I go blank!It’s terrifying.When you say you can’t be intimate,do you mean sexually or just spending time together?To me,both spike anxiety.How would you detail your experience?
Adelina

Kimberly - March 21, 2012 - 2:47 pm

Hey Sheryl! Brilliant post and definitely needed in our collective dialogue about romantic partnership. Your clients show so much growth and insight. And I loved this suggestion you made:

Remind yourself that when you’re over-focusing on the attraction issue, you’re probably avoiding something else – especially if you know that you’re attracted to his essence. Say to yourself, “I’m in a projection” and then ask,”What feeling am I avoiding by focusing on this right now?”

Beth - March 22, 2012 - 3:02 pm

I too experience this… Like Adelina Sometimes spending time with my Fiance I find myself “not in the mood” but then as soon as we are apart or I look at a favorite picture of him, I get those same warm and fuzzy feelings.. Or crave him…

But when we are together, he can just do anything, which under normal circumstances is just just day to day tasks- And I will be annoyed, or turned off. Whats that all about?

He is the most caring, non hurtful, non game playing partner I have ever had and yet sometimes I crave for him to be less sensitive, more feisty and almost more of a “jerk”… I know that sounds crazy.. But he is so accommodating sometimes that I almost wish for more “jerkness” to drive some passion…

Then again perhaps that feeds into the notion of what really is lust? Longing for something that isnt really there, the hunt of the chase?

Like previous emotionally un-available boyfriends? Sure I craved and lusted for them, but I also had to chase them… Was that passion actually mistaken for the highs and lows of always wondering if he will be there for me? Faithful to me etc?

I think I read on one of these anxiety posts previously about craving ex-boyfriends… About reminding ourselves that there was a REASON that those past relationships didnt work out.. Those relationships which now seemed so passionate in comparison to our current relationships with our Fiances… They didnt work out for a reason, those guys were emotionally unavailable- They didnt WANT to marry you in the end…They kept you guessing, But you mistook that as real passion, with living on the edge of your seat not knowing what their next move was going to be..

I have learned that is not passion. I REMEMBER NOW, that that was the REAL anxiety.

My anxiety now, stems from the unfamiliar sensation of letting my guard down. Knowing that I CAN let my guard down. This person chose me. Wants to be with me. Loves me for me. I often mistake that for boredom, settling, lack of passion.

As for passion- Hummm we are working on that. I try and remind myself of that when I start to notice my flawys.. My own bumps and lumps- lack there off… Or even more so, obsess on any of his “shortcomings”. Him not being my Physical Ideal. I try and remember that if even the “homeliest” couples people can have great sex, then its must not be all about what you look like, its how you connect.

ANYONE is capable of making the other person FEEL good. Even better is having a partner that understands that and will work with you to become great together in that department. If he is open to incorporating certain OTHER things to get you there. Unselfishly working together through trial and error to help you figure out how to get there, together.. Or one at a time..

KK - March 22, 2012 - 3:59 pm

Great article! It’s so hard to live in a culture that makes such a big deal about being “attracted” to your partner’s looks. I have struggled with this issue for mostly the whole relationship. I’ve had family members and friends ask, “How can you be with such a skinny guy?” In the beginning I used to answer, “It’s not his fault and he has a very wonderful personality and looks aren’t everything.” It’s like people think I’m crazy for saying it or something. After listening to it for so long I begin to think with their mentality and I don’t want to! It causes a lot of unwanted pressure and anxiety when you have to be surrounded by people who think that if you aren’t crazy about your partner’s looks that you shouldn’t be with them at all. He knows that he is a skinnier guy and it tears him apart when people even rip him up about being skinny, and the deepest part of me realizes that outer images don’t matter. It’s almost like sometimes I wish I were blind so I could stop judging based on appearance! I’ve always said it’s what’s on the inside that counts the most. I don’t wanna ruin a good relationship just because of physical appearance! I’m so glad to hear others are experiencing this as well. The only other people I hear that experience this are the ones that leave the relationship. I think leaving just because of looks is a selfish act. Anyone agree?

Adelina - March 23, 2012 - 12:13 pm

*Beth: You pointed out exactly what I thought about this afternoon: maybe if he was a bit ‘jerky’ I would get a bit more excitement into me…maybe!It’s an interesting phenomenon inside me:whenever he was a bit grouchy(he was never jerky to tell you the truth) I would be upset and he would come round and apologise warmly.Because 2 of my previous boyfriends were just not serious material(despite of the long relationships I had with them), I don’t really know what it was like to wait for the call,long for the attention or shake with excitement in that lusty way.With my now-fiance I have had another type of lust,the lust of waiting for him to come home,getting all warm and fuzzy when seeing him on his lunch break,or anxiously waiting for the week-end.Since this depression set in,I can’t find those feelings,I am almost absent most of the time.The morning finds me in bed thinking:why did I just not think about him now?Other times, I get excited about seeing him and a thought instantly jumps in my head reminding me that I am ‘supposed’ to be anxious and should carry on with my lifeless ways.Recently I have experienced 2-3 days when I was quite normal in terms of my life,but still scrutinised myself for not longing for him enough.
Like you said,when you have your guard down,and you consciously let it down,it becomes a self-inflicted pain.I am sure we’ve both had our boring times in the relationship,and I’m sure that neither of us have always thought about our fiances with excitement all the time, just that now with the engagement the whole concept has increased in stake.In fact,nothing has changed,but our controlled fearful minds start working on anything that can possibly be wrong.Do you have the feeling you are not yourself?I certainly feel de-personalised with all this going on and I can genuinely feel what it was like when I was ‘normal’(fuzzy when I look at a photo,or remember a holiday),and think:why can’t I be like that now?

Adelina - March 23, 2012 - 12:17 pm

*KK: If you love the fact that he is skinny,you love it because it’s paired up with a lovely personality,I’m sure.My fiance has been said to be skinny and talk slowly,but that’s what makes him HIM and not somebody who’s fabricated out of an idealised image.

KK - March 23, 2012 - 4:25 pm

Adelina: I like that way you put it! Sometimes it’s very hard for me to accept that he doesn’t have to be the perfect image that everyone expects. That’s what causes me the anxiety. When I really think of it I think how I’m so happy he’s different than all the other guys out there. To me, his image shouldn’t be a big deal.
It also doesn’t help that people are telling me that I need to date around. I’ve been dating my guy since we were in high school and we are now in college. He’s such a great guy and we have a lot in common, but the fact that everyone keeps telling me I need to date around is causing me a lot of extra stress and anxiety. I spoke to one of my supportive friends the other day about it and she put it like this, “Why would you date around when you have something that most women look for almost all of their lives.” She put it very well for me. It almost makes me sick to my stomach to think of losing such a great guy just because of anxiety. He’s definitely the kind of guy that I would want as a husband and father for my children. But yet my anxiety is telling me to leave because society is telling me I’m not normal and should leave the relationship to go “exploring”. It’s like it’s some kind of taboo to date only one guy and commit to him, well that’s what almost everything (besides here) online has told me. You would think I wouldn’t have this anxiety because I know I don’t want to go and date a bunch of random people because I know I would lose something so special to me. It’s tough.

Adelina - March 24, 2012 - 11:49 am

KK:It is very poisoning to hear people advise you exactly the opposite of what your ethos with your current relationship is.The fact is,relationships on tv,radio and in magazines have become so disposable that people now swear by experimenting and making yourself available and independent as much as you can.If it’s only the physical qualities you are worried about,I wouldn’t lend an ear to these things.If it’s the character of your fiance,completely different issue.You haven’t mentioned absolutely anything so far so I think you couldn’t really point out anything of that sort.Your friend is saying exactly what a friend should say in your anxious state,however people are entitled to have their own views on relationships.If someone wants to date endlessly and not commit,it’s a personal choice.If you are comfortable and feel very good in what you’re in,it’s your choice,I think.
I moved in with my current fiance after 3.5 months of dating,and we’re approaching 2 years.Obviously, if I listened to peoples’ advice,I wouldn’t be here now.There’s always a doubt,and I had it too,it did take some convincing in my case as well,but luckily it was all very reasonable and rational.So,I had the same anxiety as you,then.I was unsure and a bit scared,but because of the novelty factor,it was a blander uneasiness.In your case,you have known him for a while and I think you’ve trialled the relationship,so all you hear is contradicting with what you know and have seen.
I actually wish I had your anxiety(somehow swap):I have nothing to complain about,and everything was a dream and heaven until engagement(something we both had planned). Now I’m confused,numb,can’t enjoy anything and always churn on what could possibly go wrong,why I’m not flying to greet him when he’;s through the door and why I feel cold as a block of ice.And to make it worse:he’s just being great. TOUGH,like you said.

KK - March 24, 2012 - 1:18 pm

Adelina: I couldn’t agree more with you. It’s like anxiety makes you a totally different person. I’ve had anxiety since I was a kid and a lot of it stems from fear of rejection or abandonment. I had a lot of insecurity issues my first year of college and it drove him off the edge. We were broken up for about 6 months but we still stayed close friends, it was like we weren’t even broke up. I remember wanting to get back with him and make things better. We got back together and things were great because I worked on my insecurity and we worked on better communication. Everything was going fine until about October of this year and he started to act distant. I began to panic because I thought he was going to break it off with me again. We talked about it and he said that it was just because he was busy(which he was very busy) and was stressed out. My rational part of me knew that everything was okay and it was just my anxiety and insecurity but for some reason I started ruminating and searching for answers online. It sent me in such a tailspin deeper and deeper into a territory that I didn’t want to be in. I started self doubting because of what others say about having doubts in relationships, and this led me on and on into anxiety city. Instead of me panicking about his love for me I began to panic about my love for him. I somehow wound up on here…even though I’m not engaged I feel like it all applies to me. I also think that I’ve always had slight ROCD (relationship ocd). Things are slowly getting better now that I recognize that what I want is to stay in the relationship and that things don’t have to be perfect like everyone always says…sigh.

Adelina - March 25, 2012 - 3:27 am

KK:Yes!It makes you a different person.A person you would never want to have around you or want to be.Last night my anxiety reached a peak after a long time of idleness and just quiet ‘incubation’.Me and my fiance decided to have a quiet night in and watch a movie.I think, halfway through the movie,I just started to feel uneasy out of nowhere and the thoughts came back again,like a ton of bricks falling on me:why do I not feel connected,why do I feel uncomfortable,why am I so sad all of a sudden?It was gut-wrenching,I tell you.Felt like I was honestly going insane and couldn’t even rationalise properly.At some point we just decided to go to sleep because I had a bad headache on top of everything,but I had to work hard to be able to fall asleep.As always,I started going through all the strategies that I’ve learnt here but for the first time,nothing made sense and I got really scared.
I think all this has to do with what you said:ROCD.The beginning of my nightmare was the day I realised that being engaged might bring trouble and boredom(again,due to ‘lovely’ examples from all around me -i.e. divorced/separated couples) and started looking things up.WORST mistake of my life.From there on in,I can just copy and paste your words,exactly the same tailspin.Small issues became mountains and doubting my love for him were first on the menu.It’s also scary how much pressure I seem to put on the physical side of the relationship,attraction and intimacy,so now when it comes to it,I’m terrified of doing anything and also get paranoid that I’m possibly shallow if that’s all I can think of.
It’s good that you found this blog,I think it doesn’t really matter whether you’re engaged or not:if you’re in a relationship that’s in need of a bit of care,this is a gold mine.I have found all the information here so useful and comforting,even though I’m actually starting to realise that it’s not just the relationship posts I should be focusing on,it’s also final year stress(I’m about to graduate)..

Janelle - March 25, 2012 - 6:20 am

Hi girls! You both should seriously consider joining the ecourse. Your conversations are so similar the one we are having : ) Hope to see you there!

KK - March 25, 2012 - 1:20 pm

Adelina: I can agree on everything once again. I feel so judgmental about looks, attraction, and intimacy. I feel like I’m looking at him with huge binoculars looking for bits and pieces of imperfections. I can relate to you about graduating. I’m not graduating but he is and this worries me. I worry that now that he will be in the “real world” I will be stuck in the “college world” and that things won’t work out for us. Everything is shifting and changing and it’s hard to handle. I pray continuously to stop judging the way he does things or the way he looks. I have struggled with this throughout the relationship but the difference is is that I was able to say, “Hey it’s okay because he has a great heart and he’s a great guy.” Now I can’t just say that it’s like I need to check if I’m right or wrong. Once again…ROCD issues.

Janelle: I wish I could join the ecourse, but I’m a very broke college student…

Adelina - March 25, 2012 - 4:09 pm

KK:Binoculars is the exact word.I think if you can remember saying ‘he’s a great guy with a great heart’,that sentence still lives inside you.I’m convinced,fir instance,that things will go back to normal,but I try and give my thoughts a good critical assessment,to let them go through the sieve.It is sooo hard!It’s like having this great,lovable,adorable man and as soon as you approach him,you hit a stone wall.Changes in our lives make this stone wall even harder to demolish.I’m graduating just like your boyfriend,my fiance is already in the real world,but not managed to go to college yet and everything is out in the unknown,so I know exactly what you mean.Do you ever have your moments of clarity,when you don’t feel under the strain of anxiety?If yes,is it when he’s around or away?
Janelle:I wish I could afford the e-course…I’m a skint student.:(

KK - March 25, 2012 - 7:16 pm

Adelina: It’s so weird but most of my moments of clarity come when I’m not with him. I’ll just be walking down the street or something and it will happen for a split second and go back to intrusive thoughts again. When I do get clarity then I wish he was around because I want to share love with him but then when I’m with him I go on judging him again. I just want things to turn around. I want to become a better person. I know all of these problems aren’t about him, it’s all me. There’s something inside of me telling me that if I can be a better person I can view the relationship in a new way…I just don’t know how to get there.

Adelina - March 26, 2012 - 12:06 am

KK:Totally agree.It’s very annoying and exhausting not to be able to NOT think when he’s around and just get on with the daily stuff.It would be good to just forget it all and get back to how things were.In the meantime,he’s just being great,supportive and loving.More than that,my fiance doesn’t really see it because I’m trying my best to be normal.It’s scary!!

KK - March 26, 2012 - 2:33 pm

Adelina: Yes! He’s so kind and loving and like you said he doesn’t really see it because I’m trying my best to not show on the outside what it going on in the inside! I really hate it. But I guess the advantage of all of this is that I’m learning that a lot of my ideas of love and relationships has been warped for far too long. I’m so determined to learn how to love him the right way. I have to keep reminding myself that thoughts are just thoughts. I choose to be with him even if I don’t feel 100% sure because I WANT to be with him…

Adelina - March 26, 2012 - 3:46 pm

KK:Spot on!I just had a conversation with my fiance now and we got around the subject of discussing my dad whom I never had a close relationship with.Although my parents are not separated and my dad’s brought his bad habits into the family when I was a kid(too much partying,drinking,arguing),I learnt to swallow and get over it.I was always living with the thought that my dad was not good enough. because I would hear it in the arguments between him and my mum,and now
we don’t speak much apart from the basic ‘how’s the course’,'how’s the work’ and other casual things.I feel uneasy around him and if we were left in a room together,we probably would struggle to find a conversation topic.I know little about my parents’ relationship with each other and never seen them really cuddle while I was living at home.I was telling my other half about this and he said he could see that my fear was that I would bring this ‘emotinal baggage’ with me,fearing that our relationship would turn out the same.He hit the nail on the head there.It’s shocking what floats to the surface when you start digging into depressionand I think there are lessons to be learnt.Like you say,if youWANT the relationship,you stay in it and fight as long as you can….this reminds me of that post earlier on Sheryl’s blog:Dr. Pat Love saying ‘Feel the feeling but stay in the relationship’.We make our own reality and by going back to repairable past realities,we can move on with the present.It’s weird how clearly I seem to master the issue now,though,because when I’m with my fiance or just pondering,a tailspin starts and most of the time it feels like I’m watching a movie and I don’t even feel anything or value interaction.

KK - March 27, 2012 - 1:11 pm

Yeah I couldn’t agree more once again. I know the problem lies within me and it has nothing to do with my boyfriend. It frustrates me that when I’m with him all kinds of negative thoughts race through my head and I don’t want them anymore. When I’m not with him I have so much hope and so much determination to love him, but then I get the negative thoughts too. I just want it all to go away. I love him and I want to love him. I don’t want to judge him any longer. If I could control my ROCD things would a lot easier.

StephanieG - March 27, 2012 - 1:57 pm

I agree with Janelle. You guys should join the e-course!

KK - March 27, 2012 - 2:23 pm

I wish I could. I can barely afford to live right now haha

Lauren - April 3, 2012 - 1:47 pm

I share the similar sentiment of warm fuzzy feelings when my fiance and I are snuggling or when he’s away, but when it’s time to really get intimate, I turn cold (as Adelina so rightly describes it). I haven’t figured out why that is, but it gives me serious anxiety to think I could not be sexually attracted to my partner for the rest of my life. For me, that’s probably the root of all my anxiety, or at least what I hang my hat on. I love being with him otherwise and spending time together (outside of the bed). Any suggestions?

Sheryl Paul - April 3, 2012 - 7:06 pm

Lauren: You said that at the beginning of the relationship this wasn’t an issue, which means you have everything it takes to have an alive and passionate sexual relationship. There are two prongs to dealing with it: One – move toward him even when you don’t want to. As you said, the more you think about it, the more paralyzed you become. If you move beyond the thoughts and into action, you might be able to break through into your truth again. Two – Try journaling about why you might be shutting down sexually. Are you shut down in other areas of your aliveness? Do you feel sexual in your own self? The sexual energy we bring to a relationship is a reflection of our own levels of aliveness in our bodies. If you’re shut down or bored in your life as an individual, that’s how you’re going to feel in your relationship with your partner.

Lauren - April 4, 2012 - 8:16 am

Thanks Sheryl! I think the second prong is a great point. Recently, we’ve started working out again and I’ve felt more alive and more sexual in general because I feel good about myself. It’s not the rut of coming home from work, cooking dinner, and watching TV (which is nice sometimes, but absolutely boring). I am going to start journaling about it and get more proactive about keeping my life active and fun too. This blog and your material is so helpful!

SB - April 4, 2012 - 7:24 pm

KK and Adelina: Thank you both for having the courage to lay your feelings on the table (or on the blog in this case). I have been where you are and although I still struggle with fears, I for sure hit rock bottom about 1.5 years ago (yeah… its a looong process).
One thing that is the scariest thing to suggest BUT could really help: talk to your men. Even if you just start small, it will help you. Not only will you feel more connected, but you will be surprised at how they react. Its super scary, I get that. But I will tell you, my turning point was when I started being more open with my fiance.
Secondly, it sounds like a lot of your thoughts stem (at least in part) from an idea that you should ALWAYS be attracted to your partner. My fiance and I have been together for five years. I am not always wanting to jump on him. believe me. This idea that you should always be feeling fuzzy about your partner is part of that fantasy gift our culture gives us (i.e. you will find “the one”, always be happy, and live in a romantic comedy for the rest of your lives). Its just not the truth. If you cut yourself and your relationship some slack, you may be able to see more of the truth (whats important).

Adelina - April 6, 2012 - 2:49 pm

Abedul,Lauren and SB:thank you for sharing on this post,again!These words bring me back into a corner of reality and make me remind myself that there is still work to do and I am not completely lost. I recently started seeing a therapist and it started easing off my terrible anxiety that had been churning inside me for weeks. I told him about Sheryl’s work,and the calming effect it has on me and he applauded everything about it (not that it needed reassurance but it did give me a good kick).Now, this attraction issue I have been dealing with has taken a very different shape or since last time I posted on here about 2 weeks ago.From the painful and almost desperate effort to try and get my feelings shown to my fiance to a level where I would re-read the text messages I’ve been sending him and notice how cheesy they actually are… my entire behaviour has shifted into an almost serene isolation where I just want to sit and knit all day and have him around for conversation and relaxation.We’re currently visiting my parents abroad so this is holiday for us.Last time we came here(3 months ago) I felt terribly happy and excited around him.That was before the engagement.Now,I’m just ‘blah’,or get snappy and irritated at what he says,although I thought my projection phase was going away.Now it’s not physical,or anything specific,I’m just plain indifferent and when this thought comes to.me I get scared that this is it,this will be it forever.He can also sense something,which scares me the most,and he says I’m not as ‘alive’ as usual.I can’t help fearing that all commitments turn out like this,that I will never feel the excitement and sensuality again,that his always funny nature will just annoy me forever and I’m doomed.On the other hand,when we talk about future plans for the next holiday,I feel relaxed and joyous.I only start getting anxious about the future of the relationship and my lack of libido when I wake up or before falling asleep.I feel like I’m in a never-ending vortex. :(

Adelina - April 6, 2012 - 2:51 pm

Sorry,that Abedul was meant to be Sheryl. Autocorrect!!!

SB - April 7, 2012 - 3:14 pm

From an outsiders point of view, it sounds like your are in a “protection” sort of mode. What feelings are below this indifference? That is where you need to go to work through it (I know, it is VERY scary). It seems like you are protecting yourself from feeling something (whether that be fear, joy, doubt, or all of the above). Real love (not what our society tells us is love) is scary and sometimes we hide behind indifference, anger, or judgement to keep ourselves from really going there. Only you can take yourself there and only you can work through it. You have to look these thoughts in the eye (so to speak) and face them. Journaling helps.
Also, try to get off the “forever” train. You can only deal with what is in front of you. I know the idea of forever is scary (I struggled with this and the fear of “will we like each other in 20 years?” right after we got engaged), But this is what gave me hope: Both my fiance and I are good, honorable people who love and respect (Notice I didn’t say, “are HOT for” or Lust after) each other. That is all I can promise and all I can work towards and hope for. You can’t deal with 20 years because you aren’t there yet. These thoughts are just another protection that you are setting up. Find out what the true feelings behind it is.

Kate - April 8, 2012 - 2:55 am

I came across this site a couple of months ago when I was frantically looking on the Internet searching, “how do you know when you are in love?” and “am I attracted to him?”. This site has made me feel so much better!! But I was just wondering if anyone ever feels “I’m still young, does this mean that what im feeling actually doesn’t apply to what’s om this website, does it mean I’m not anxious?” I also say to myself  ” I’m not engaged, so does this means what’s on this website doesn’t apply to me? What is wrong with me then?”  I am in college and I have been with my loving, generous boyfriend for 15 months now I know deep down how much I love him I just feel so anxious a lot of the time and I don’t know what to do, I don’t want to feel this way! I am so lucky to have him! I feel like he is the right guy for me and it scares me so much!! 

Scottish Bride - April 8, 2012 - 5:17 am

Adelina – what you are describing is EXACTLY what happened to me this time last year. I was head over heels with my boyfriend, waiting excitedly for him to propose after 2 years of dating (one living together) and when he did I felt like I was outside my own body. For days after I felt this nameless pressure building up inside me. I felt disconnected, panicky, confused, disorientated, soooo sad, frustrated… until it all came to a head with the first panic attack of my life. I am now happily married but it’s been the hardest/most amazing and profound year of my life! I cannot recommend the e-course enough. I’m still on it every day and the support that we all give each other is priceless. I know it’s a lot of money and I’m not trying to pressurise you to spend money you dont have but i think there is an instalment payment option. All I would say is that my real work only began when I joined the course in October last year. If things dont get any easier for you, please take comfort in knowing that there is a whole community that are available to help you through this. If you really can’t afford it right now then please know that you are NOT alone, that these feelings do NOT mean you’re with the wrong person and that it is possible to get through this and reconnect with your partner.

Adelina - April 8, 2012 - 2:28 pm

Ladies,it is so comforting to come on here every day,have a refresh on my judgement and learn a lesson all over again.
SB: When you say that it looks like I’m in a protection mode,you’re absolutely right; in fact,my therapist reached this conclusion on the very first session. During that session I found it very easy to break through what the anxiety was telling me in coded language, because it was coming from my childhood(disconnected from my dad, grew up with grandmother and having confusing feelings about my real ‘carer’, the lack of visible love between my parents, the way my unwillingness to sleep on my own was treated and generally just a tense atmosphere in the house because of so many arguments). When I raffled through all these memories,I realised how many of these shape my fear of becoming the product of a miserable, boring and disappointing marriage. Now, up to the point where I managed to redirect my attention to these things, I think I had been in a panic state of wanting it to go away, of looking for reassurance and constantly worrying about what I might find if I start digging things up. Following the advice on here, I decided to genuinely try and be compassionate towards myself and just let the feelings run through me, until I cross over to the happily married life. It is indeed, so scary to just learn without trying to judge too much or mistake the wounded self for the core self. It got even scarier when I came home to visit my parents with my fiance for a week and my mood has turned into the numbness I thought I had already experienced. While before I was worried that in time I might be annoyed with him, irritated with his jokes and shut down completely in terms of sex, now it feels like the prophecy’s come true. I don’t want sex, I’m not affectionate or very warm – hours can go by without me feeling the desire to touch him or just act as I used to. We’ve lived together for 2 years and what we had was very soon after we moved together not just ‘lust’ but admiration.,desire and genuine longing to spend time with each other. At the moment, all I can think of is how unattainable these are on long-term basis,despite my 2-year long belief that these were realistic, and it shuts me down,makes me uninterested and bored out of my own life…
Scottish Bride, what you. just said here made me so happy,and lit my face up!My nightmare started with a panick attack that broke out of nowhere one morning about 2 months ago,and since then I’ve been feeling like sitting a very long exam or twisting in my sleep not being able to wake up.Generally, my energy has come back so I.can do my work and day to day tasks(I’m sure that’s thanks to the antidepressant my GP prescribed after I told her I’d not eaten for 6 days) but I see my relationship as lacking attraction on my behalf. He is the same loving person and it kills me that I’m spiritually absent from our togetherness. It feels good to know that I’m not alone,although I wish nobody had to go through this at such an intensity.I can’t wait to get some money in to get on the e-course,I’m just paralysed by my own lack of presence and normal passion. I’m not very gifted with patience so I can’t stop wondering whether I do something wrong that might slow the recovery down. I just want to get my life back as it was, and be able to say that I’ve had an eventful and purposeful year like you!

KK - April 9, 2012 - 4:58 pm

Kate: I had the same thoughts as you and am also in college. I too think, “I’m not engaged so this must mean it doesn’t apply to me right?” All I know is anxiety is anxiety. I don’t think it matters whether we’re young or old or in a relationship, engaged or married. I don’t think it matters what stage you are in anxiety can still attack you like it seems to attack the engaged or married people on this site. It all comes down to the relationship anxiety regardless. That’s just my thoughts though.

learningtobeconscious - April 9, 2012 - 5:08 pm

Kate and KK – if I had only found this site when I was in college, I’d have been so much happier! My issues with relationship anxiety began in college (well, probably in high school but it didn’t matter as much then :P ) and it took me YEARS to realize it wasn’t the guys, it was me. There is just no way I could have the exact same anxiety about the exact same things with completely different people – in EVERY SINGLE RELATIONSHIP. I’m now nearly 27 and in a serious relationship (I’m not married or engaged, either!) and it’s the first time I’m truly dealing with this anxiety and fear surrounding marriage/commitment/etc. I think it’s great that you guys found this site & started working through these things at a younger age!

Sheryl Paul - April 9, 2012 - 5:56 pm

I just want to let you know that I’ve recently added a new payment option for the e-course that allows you to pay in four installments. Hopefully this will make it more feasible for those of you in college!

Kate - April 10, 2012 - 2:49 am

Thanks for replying KK and learningtobeconcious, It’s great to have some support after hearing from friends and te media that its not normal! I look at all the articles here on concious transitions and I feel ‘this sounds just like me’ but I have never known if this was anxiety or not! I’m sick of feeling this way everyday! Some dad I have great days others not so much!! So ladies a question how do I know if want I’m feeling is I’m fact what this website is all about, and is in fact fear or if it’s just because I am unsure! Before my current relationship I was in a verbally abusive relationship and as a child I had separation anxiety! I had a great childhood otherwise.. Which makes me wonder! My boyfriend is so caring, generous, love able and I can’t believe there is someone like him In this world who could love me this much!

Victoria - April 10, 2012 - 2:54 am

Hi there,
I just read this whole article and the comments without realising that this is a forum for engaged people or newlyweds… I’m not engaged but have been with my boyfriend about a year and a half and have some troubles with physical attraction and lack of passionate sex in my relationship, (as well as going through periods of disliking him when I’ve got PMT to the point where I doubt it will work out), even though he’s the most caring, supportive and loyal guy I’ve ever been with.
Do you guys think this e-course would be suitable for me?

SB - April 10, 2012 - 11:05 pm

Kate: I am so sorry you are struggling with this question right now.
Let me tell you, I have considered that question no less than 100 times. It is a scary one to think about. Here’s the thing through: Usually you know if it is wrong. Please don’t let that spike your anxiety because it’s actually a good thing. As Sheryl says, fewer than 5% of her clients are in this position. The question that helped me is “Are there any red flag issues? (i.e. abuse, addiction, control, constant disrespect) If not, you probably have a good partner who as you yourself say is “so caring, generous, love able”.
This has NOTHING to do with your partner and everything to do with inner work that you need to face. You would be feeling this way with any partner once you got into the “scary zone” and that comes at different stages for everyone (dating, pre-engaged, engaged, post wedding).
Again, this is not about your partner. If it was, there would be major red flag issues. Your mind is playing fear trick on you to keep you from doing the true work of facing the feelings deep down. I know, because my mean mind does the same things to me. I know it is scary but you need to try to push past the fear tricks and try to understand what feelings are below them.

SB - April 10, 2012 - 11:12 pm

I wanted to tell you that just reading the post I just wrote when i said “Usually you know when its wrong” caused my anxiety to go up too!! You are not alone in this, ladies. Phrases like “I just knew he was the one” and so on, have caused us think that something is wrong with your relationship when in actually, its just that there is inner work that needs to be done. The mind plays horrible tricks if you allow it to. The great thing is that you have the power to push past these knee-jerk responses to fear and uncover the true feelings for me: Fear of my fiance dying or leaving me. See it is a lot easier to just tell yourself that everything should be perfect and when it is not, something must be wrong. It is easier to do that then to go deep down into the caverns of your mind and uncover the fears that you, Kate seem to have had for a long time (I say that because you mentioned separation anxiety, something i have also always struggled with).
You are not alone, and this has nothing to do with the caring, generous, and love-able man you are with.

KK - April 11, 2012 - 12:16 am

SB: You hit the nail on the head for most of us in saying what you did. It’s so comforting to know that I’m not the weirdo in society that is freaking out about my relationship. It’s so sad that everywhere I try to look (especially online) for answers to my questions such as, “How do I know I love him?” “What if he’s not always physically attractive to me?” all of these questions being answered on the web all say to leave. That’s what spikes my anxiety. Almost every blog/article I’ve read has said, “Do your partner a favor and leave so that someone can love them both emotionally and physically.”(Sorry if that spiked anyone else’s anxiety because it always spikes mine!) All of these types of comments put doubt in my head. What ever happened to a culture that married for love regardless of looks or chemistry or whatever? Isn’t companionship enough anymore? Our culture is sick and has caused me a lot of unwanted anxiety. What’s so bad about choosing a partner that is a great man all around but doesn’t have the perfect body or perfect looks?

Kate - April 11, 2012 - 2:40 am

KK thanks so much for helping me!! I feel so horrible even writing the words saying ‘maybe I’m unsure’! I’m so terrified! I just want to be happy with my boyfriend without all these complications! Is it really normal to feel confused about having such an amazing man! My parents love him to bits and so do my friends! My mom is quite supportive telling me how happy he makes me and telling me that she knows I love him and everything! But I feel like I should know this all for myself! I know deep down how I feel I think, in the beginning of our relationship, the first 5 months, it’s was such a whirlwind! I kept thinking this is the man I am marrying and being with forever! I have never felt that happy in my life.. But then i started constantly worrying…nothing has changed with him, he is exactly the same now to how he was in the beginning! Now I just cry all the time when I’m with him, not sad tears, but tears of what seem to be fear of not wanting what we have to end by me maybe screwing it up! My boyfriend tells me I won’t screw it up because he knows how much I love him…. Do does this mean that I apply to what you ladies feel on this site… Do I have relationship anxiety? It truly is me and not my amazing boyfriend??

Kate - April 11, 2012 - 2:49 am

Sorry thank you SB!!!

KK - April 11, 2012 - 10:19 am

Kate: It sounds like relationship anxiety to me. I feel for you as I struggle with it every day. I’ve struggled with it off and on for 5 years with my boyfriend. It’s like little voices inside my head nitpick and judge every wrong thing he does yet I fail to focus on the many many positives that outweigh the negatives. In fact all of the negatives are hardly anything compared to what others have to deal with in their relationships. I fail to remember that he could nitpick and judge me just as much as I do him and I would feel terrible. I keep thinking well maybe I should leave and get out so I can feel better but I know the minute I would do that I would feel 10 times worse. And besides that something inside me knows that I want to learn how to love the right way with him. I don’t want to lose a good relationship because of my anxiety. I’m working on looking at my relationship in a more positive way.

Kate - April 11, 2012 - 7:27 pm

Thank you so much KK! I feel so much better already!! The way you feel is exactly how i do! It feels so good to know im not alone! The thoughts have been unbearable the last couple of days.. Somehow I fixate myself to one particular thought and I can’t let it go! Thank you so much for your support! How are you going with getting over your anxiety! How are you doing it?

Sheryl Paul - April 11, 2012 - 7:54 pm

Victoria: I have no doubt that the ecourse would benefit you enormously. It’s the best course of action anyone struggling with relationship anxiety can take, whether partnered, engaged, or married, and more and more people are joining the course who aren’t engaged or married. You’ll fit right in!

KK - April 12, 2012 - 1:15 pm

Kate: The only truly helpful thing that I can think of that has helped my anxiety was to only stay on this website. Whatever you do don’t go googling about your relationship because you will find very negative answers! Read all of Sheryl’s articles on here they help! And also do what Sheryl suggests don’t just read them actually apply them.

Adelina - April 12, 2012 - 11:29 pm

Ladies, definitely do NOT go googling about relationship problems!One thing that definitely ‘helped’ me dig myself into a hole of panick, depression and anxiety was starting to look for answers on different websites.It is so scary how easily we identify ourselves in stories we hear or read.I think it’s safe to say that you never know what goes on in one’s life and 2 situations are never the same. Sheryl points it out so well when she writes about negative projectionvs. positive projection!Finding this blog was the best thing I could ever have done and I can’t wait to join the e-course when I can afford it.I’m so bored of feeling outside of my own body,tired of thinking that my relationship is under the microscope and fed up with nit-picking my fiancé!I just want it all to be back to when I was comfortable and full of positive energy.

tropikalgirl - April 13, 2012 - 3:05 am

Adelina – reading your posts reminds me of how I am. I am now married to a wonderful man with 2 beautiful children. The only thing is my anxiety has returned and am now seeking some help to cope and understand. Talking with my husband has also helped but he needs to be someone who is stable and strong. I have also seek help from the website and as soon as I come across anything negative, I try and find 5 more positives to read about. It is so easy to spiral downwards if you let yourself. Our minds are a powerful thing and it can mold any thoughts to what you want it to be. I stay at home with the kids 3 days a week and it is because I have more time now that I started to analyze which then leads to my anxiety again. Just remember the person you have beside you who you can count on everyday of your life.

Adelina - April 13, 2012 - 10:13 am

Tropikalgirl: I know how hard it is and every time I see somebody saying that their anxiety has returned, I just get more depressed and anxious thinking that this is something I will never get rid of. Today I’m not too well and my focus has shifted back on my partner to an extent where I start imagining what it’d be like if I just left…almost indulging in fabricating scenarios of me ‘not missing him’ and it becomes so believable that I want to crawl under a rock and never come out. I am absolutely helpless when controlling my mind…

tropikalgirl - April 13, 2012 - 12:52 pm

Adelina – I know what you’re going through today and I feel sad for you. I’ve gone through that myself but know that if you left, you would find someone else and be happy for a while and your anxiety WILL come back with that person too. Not sure about yourself, but I have done this with every person I have dated until my husband. With him, it just started 9 years later. I’ve always been an anxious person so I know it is not him. Try and steer your mind back today and love who you’re with. Take care of yourself…

KK - April 25, 2012 - 10:02 am

I think everyone should take a look at this article by Dr. Glenn Berger! It coincides with fear and not opening up to loving! It addresses the “attraction” and “chemistry” issue and it really opened my eyes! Check it out, it is what everyone needs to hear!

http://datingtipsforfindinglove.com/instant-chemistry-or-attraction-can-stop-you-from-finding-love/

chantel - April 26, 2012 - 11:39 pm

im so glad to have found this website.. im going through really bad relationship anxiety for a year now. im in such a wonderful relationship with a man who is so loving, caring and just perfect in every way… and he is a very good looking well built guy who all my friends think is really good looking. however, a year ago, after he said the words ‘i love you’ for the first time i had the biggest panic attack ive ever had. all i wanted to do was run away from him. this was such a shock to me as all i wanted was to hear those words from him. but once i felt like he loved me and got close to me i freaked out. for a year now i have been dealing with these feelings of ‘do i really love him’ on and off and im going through a really bad bout of it right now. my parents love him and my mum keeps telling me that i love him but why cant i feel it for myself? ive gone to a therapist and she said its because of my abandonment issues and i block my emotions so i dont get hurt but i even question that and think maybe i just dont love him n e more and i am just trying to fool myself so i dont have to go through another break up. i guess i just need reassurance as hes such a wonderful man and id be a fool to lose him because of my anxiety. im really at a loss with this :(

Erin - May 4, 2012 - 12:54 pm

I’m not sure how I missed this post, but this seriously hits home right now. I was horribly anxious while I was engaged, but through reading this blog and The Conscious Bride I was able to get married and feel good about it. However, after nearly nine months of marriage, the anxiety has returned to this very topic. I find myself extremely anxious when faced with any physical intimacy and it has started to make me question if I’m physically and sexually attracted to my husband. This was never a problem early on in our relationship, which just makes this harder. I have tried to just power through the anxiety and do it despite how I’m feeling and it works… sometimes. When it doesn’t work and I can’t just relax, I panic even though my husband is understanding and supportive. Even talking about this makes me anxious. I’m not sure what to do or how to combat it.

Erin - May 4, 2012 - 12:59 pm

I’m going through this projection right now. Despite being married nine months with little to no anxiety, it’s back again with a vengeance. I was terribly anxious during my engagement, but with the help of The Conscious Bride and this blog I was able to get married and feel good again about my relationship with my husband. Any time I am about to be physically intimate with my husband, I sort of freeze up with panic. I usually try to power through it and do it anyway, but in the times that I’m not able to relax and enjoy it, I spiral into a huge panic. I start to fear that I’m not attracted to my husband physically or sexually. This was never a problem before we got engaged, but it is now. It just terrifies me and I’m not sure how to deal with it.

Anna C - May 5, 2012 - 3:27 pm

Thank you so much for this post Sheryl. I had to go through so much terrible advice online before I came to this but I am glad I persevered.

Sheryl Paul - May 5, 2012 - 8:25 pm

The internet is certainly a double-edged sword: so much dysfunctional information and then a place that speaks to you. I’m glad you persevered : ).

For The Anxiously Engaged: From ChristmasBride 2006 on The Conscious Weddings Message Board:

As part of the Conscious Weddings E-Course which I’m in the process of creating, I’m combing through thousands of posts from the now-closed Conscious Weddings Message Board and choosing the “best of” to be included in the course. I’ve come across many insightful and helpful posts which I’ll include in the E-Course, but this post, from the ever-wise ChristmasBride2006, deserves to be printed here as well. Thank you, CB, for your willingness to share your wisdom with so many anxiously engaged women. I truly believe that it’s your voice that saw many of the women on the board through their anxiety. The responses to this post were fabulous as well, but for that you’ll have to wait for the e-course : )

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Not that I am by any means a “seasoned” married woman, nor can I accurately (but most likely can) predict that my husband will remained married forever… Click here to continue reading…

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Cori - September 27, 2010 - 12:01 pm

Thank you SO SO MUCH for this post. Everything you described in that post is me and it spoke to me perfectly… I have the exact same worries/fears/doubts… somewhere deep down I know I want to marry this man, but fear has struck my heart and riddled me with concerns… it is so good to know that i am not alone, and that things can work out despite all the struggles… and that all of the fighting of the fear and anxiety is worth it in the end!

KD - September 28, 2010 - 4:47 am

Excellent post. Same thoughts, same feelings, same fears. I can only hope for the same outcome. On days when the fear is so strong and I can’t answer “do you want to marry this man?”, I recognize that I also can’t answer “do you NOT want to marry this man?”. That’s what keeps me going.
My one question: what if you’ve lacked that sense of “knowing”? For instance, I wonder if I ever just “KNEW” my fiance was the one I wanted to marry. I think it’s not my nature to make that kind of decision. Or if that is a sign? (I suffer terribly from the grass is always greener syndrome.)

Carrie - September 28, 2010 - 8:32 am

Goodness, this was me only three short months ago. I had all the same symptoms. My fear had me in a choke hold. But like CB, I too survived my wedding day. After moving through those fears, I can breathe a sigh of relief in knowing that I couldn’t be happier than I am today to be married to my husband. Our relationship is not perfect, of course. But my husband is a wonderful, caring and understanding man. He has supported me throughout my turbulent transition and it has made both of us stronger people in the end. I feel that I am better prepared now for when I encounter another transition. If you can move through fear, you can make room for love to grow in your life.

admin - September 28, 2010 - 8:58 am

“If you can move through fear, you can make room for love to grow in your life.” That’s really the crux of this work in a nutshell. Well said, Carrie.

Anna - September 30, 2010 - 4:45 pm

KD, I think it’s ok to never have had a “knowing” moment. I think the important thing is to look at the information you have presented to you. Does your fiance love you? Respect you? Do you share the same values? Is he kind to you? Does he meet a majority of your needs (notice I didn’t say ALL! No one person can do that!) Are you friends? I would wager that if you didn’t have fear or doubt holding you back, you would emphatically say yes to all these things. We are conditioned by society to look for the “perfect” spouse – after all, relationships are disposable to celebrities and maybe even our friends. I hear so often that if things aren’t perfect, then you shouldn’t get married. Bull! There is no perfect person or perfect marriage. But if your fiance is a good person, loves and respects you, and you share some basic values, then you’ll be just fine.

Marriage, I don’t think, is a big mystery that only a few lucky people can figure out. It’s two different people who love each other learning to make a life together. And it IS a learning experience – I think I will be learning things for the rest of my life! But it’s so very worth it in the end!

PJ - October 1, 2010 - 9:01 am

Thanks Anna and well put, maybe we can communicate over email, as I am going through the same type of thing from a guys point of view. My whole anxiety and thought process goes something like this with statments and questions in my head; “Do I love her?” “I think I love her”, “I do love her” “I don’t love her”, “I’ve never loved her” etc. I’ve always been a closed off type of person, and really never quote “loved” a person of the opposite sex, so thats why I’m so unsure. I have this idea I’m supposed to feel a certain way and not be asking these questions. Some days are better than others, but the last thing I want to go through is these continual thoughts through the wedding and then after the marriage.

Sheryl Paul - October 1, 2010 - 9:07 am

Anna’s actually in the midst of her own transition right now so I don’t think she’ll be available for email communication ( I understand the urge, though; she’s really a wise soul). However, I encourage everyone who’s struggling with the question of “Do I really love him/her?” to read M. Scott Peck’s book “The Road Less Traveled.” It will define love and being in love for you in way that puts in all in perspective and answers your questions. I go into depth in Lesson Four of my e-course, including many, many posts by Anna and other wise women from the boards, but if you can’t wait, read the book TODAY. Peck’s primary point about love is that it’s NOT a feeling but a choice. It’s act of will, an intention, and an action. It’s not a FEELING! Isn’t that amazing?

KD - October 3, 2010 - 2:33 pm

Thank you Anna and Sheryl! I picked up the book and hope to finish it today. I can relate to PJ’s plight…I think that while I am a fun, kind, caring person, I’m probably guarded and closed off as well, and this, perhaps, affects my perception of love. And since this is also my first long-term, serious relationship, I am not sure how I should feel now or if I ever felt the right feelings our entire relationship. I guess I have more work to do!

Janelle - October 7, 2010 - 3:32 pm

I’ve been with my now husband for 3 months, we dated for 10 years before we got married. I always knew I wanted to get married to him and then he proposed and I completely freaked out. I know that I love him dearly and I have been working through my feelings and looking at this website since we got engaged. I was wondering if somebody could say something about feeling like your in denial. Sometimes I ask myself “is this what I really wanted”? I feel like I should completely know for sure that being married to my husband is exactly what I want. Does anyone else do that? I really don’t break down like I use to during our engagement but these thoughts are really annoying. I know that I love my husband completely, I know that there is no one else in the world that I would rather spend my time with. My husband is wonderful so I don’t why sometimes I can’t feel that and enjoy our marriage. Our marriage is a happy one but these thought are AWFUL! Please help!

Janelle - October 7, 2010 - 6:04 pm

I would like to clarify that my marriage is fine and these thoughts are not coming from anything my husband or I have done. These thoughts are just in my head and I don’t know why. I feel like I should know that this is what I want for sure and b/c sometimes I have a hard time answering that question. I feel that I wouldn’t be having these thoughts if this is what I really wanted! Now, please keep in mind, that I know that I love him and I’d never leave. It’s just that my mind keeps throwing up landmines to keep me seperate from love. I wish my mind would just realize what a great life I have laying right in front of me, but instead my mind is trying to find anything to keep me from enjoying it….so strange…ugh!

admin - October 7, 2010 - 7:12 pm

Janelle – You’re describing what every single one of my engaged or newlywed clients describes: a great relationship with the only problem being the landmines that the fear-mind puts up. It sounds like for you the thought of “I should know that this is what I want for sure” is what’s creating a lot of your anxiety. Whenever a sentence starts with “what if” or “I should” it’s a telltale sign that fear is at play and the thought will inevitably lead to anxiety. There’s nothing that says that you “should” know that this is what you want with total certainty. Is there anything in your life you can know with total certainty? Certainty is an illusion, and any thinking person will tell that they have doubts about their relationship or their job or any major decision they’ve made. Learning to accept the uncertainty is a big part of the marriage transition for many, many people.

Janelle - October 8, 2010 - 6:20 am

Thank you so much Sheryl. I am in the point in my marriage transition where I know that every question I have is pretty much okay. Every thought that I have is okay. Now this took me about 7-8 months to get to this point. During my engagement I was so depressed and your mother’s site helped me get out of that depression within a month. The question that my mind keeps putting in front of me “is this what i really want” is a question that I had been dealing with for a long time but was just to scared to ask. I guess I already knew the answer to the question before I asked. It is just a hard question and I’m trying to let that unknown stick in my mind.

Also, I feel that I’m going through a HUGE transition as a mother as well. Now, this sounds crazy b/c I don’t have any kids and my husband and I don’t want children for atleast a few years. Let me explain, my parents went through a divorce when I was little and it shattered me. Ever since I was little I grew up wanting to be the perfect wife thinking that that would always keep my family together. Now, I’m finding out that I’m not the perfect wife b/c of these thoughts in my head. UGH…I know there’s no such thing as perfect and in no other aspect of my life do I want to be perfect…even when I was a girlfriend I didn’t feel the need to be perfect. I tell my husband about this need to be perfect and he laughs and says ” I just want you to be how you’ve always been, I don’t want you to be perfect-that’s crazy”. I know that he’s right but my mind is still trying to accept that. You see we’ve never been ‘perfect’ and our relationship has always just worked- we just are best friends.

Now as for the parent transition (with out even having kids, lol). I am just having a hard time b/c I am pressuring myself to make sure that I have made the best decision in a husband for my children. Now I KNOW that my husband is going to be the best father ever, but I just want to make sure that my husband and I are completely happy together so that my kids won’t have to go through what I went through a child. I know there are no guarantees but my mind needs to somehow manage that no matter what my children are not going to have the perfect life with the perfect family- no one does- and that is hard to accept!

JT - October 8, 2010 - 8:30 am

Janelle

Everything you have said are pretty much my exact thoughts.

KD - October 8, 2010 - 8:44 am

Janelle,
As much as you’re struggling, it seems like you’ve rounded a corner and are seeing there’s light. You recognize your thoughts are fear-based and not rooted in reality. Seems like you’ll get through this with time!

When you were engaged, did you struggle with anything in your relationship, or just the unknown and the level of committment? Right now I am coming to grips with what part of me is struggling with the unknown, and what part is related to the relationship. I wish I could say it’s all me and my crazy head, but I know I have doubts because of our differences in personalities and backgrounds (like, I wish he was more reserved when we go out in public, he’s a product of divorce, he’s smart but not intellectual, etc). I also compare myself to others, thinking, do we have that chemistry? Or were we meant to be friends this whole time? It’s maddening at times!

Sounds like you have a great relationship, and many happy years ahead. Best wishes!

admin - October 8, 2010 - 1:37 pm

KD – At least 90% of my clients struggle with issues in the relationship – which aren’t so much relationship issues as they are difficulties in accepting differences. It’s so common, in fact, that I’ve devoted an entire lesson to it in my Conscious Weddings E-Course – as well as the other thought that’s plaguing you of “Do I love him enough? Or do we have enough chemistry?” You’re far from alone and with the right tools you can effectively work through these anxiety-based thoughts that are keeping you separate from love.

Janelle - October 8, 2010 - 2:45 pm

KD- I mainly struggled with thoughts in my head. That’s not to say that we haven’t ever had problems, b/c we have. But we got through our “problems” and the problems never were a breaking point in the dating life so why would they be when i was engaged. Please try your best to not compare yourself to others. I have to tell myself this a lot! Trust me- you don’t know what’s going on in people’s lives. I know that people would be shocked to hear that i’m writing on this website, shocked to hear I’ve had anything other then perfect thoughts. You see, everyone can see exactly what is so hard for me to see right now, which is my husband and I are wonderful together. I actually didn’t nit pick on my husband, rather I was so hard on myself which led to crazy anxiety! don’t worry you’ll get through this and so will I! hopefully : )

Janelle - October 8, 2010 - 3:07 pm

One more thing- one of my fears was dealing with the unknown and i was pretty sure that after the vows were said it would magically disapear. the fears definitly diminish but don’t go away completely-atleast in my case….i wish i would have expected the fears to stay …maybe then i would have felt more comfortable during that first month of marriage! good luck!!

PJ - October 12, 2010 - 12:34 pm

Janelle and KD, I can certainly relate to these questions that are now coming up in your transition. I’ve actually been doing a lot better, my earlier intense thoughts have become a lot easier to handle, but now have transitioned into the thoughts very similar to yours stated above regarding the questions “do I wanna have kids with this person?” or questioning the relationship based on differences in personalities. Like just the other night I let the fear thought in, like “gosh her laugh is so annoying, or she sounds like such a ditz sometimes and is driving me crazy” These do exist, the trick is not to let irrational thoughts like this take over and take charge of the outcome of your relationship. I have no idea what love is, or how I’m supposed to be feeling right now, but I enjoy my fiance’s company and we work as a couple and companionship, and thats just fine with me :)

Janelle - October 12, 2010 - 4:41 pm

Sheryl,
If I have been working with my fears for months and months and I still don’t feel calm and relaxed, does that mean something is wrong? I have been married for a few months now and I just feel like I should feel happy most of the time. I feel like I should not be questioning my relationship with my husband. Could it be that i’m focusing way too much on these thoughts? I’m more than ready for my relationship to go back to how it was when we were dating- I was so relaxed and never had a second thought! Will i ever get that relaxed feeling back? Is something wrong with me? I should be enjoying this wonderful man that I have as my husband! Please help!

admin - October 12, 2010 - 6:05 pm

How much work did you do before you got married? Did you grieve the end of your single identity? Did you transfer allegiance from your family of origin to your husband? Did you find a way to accept the uncertainty of marriage and of marriage? Are there any issues in the relationship that you can point to right here and now that are cause for concern? And by the way, the fact that you never had a second thought during your dating isn’t necessarily a healthy thing!

Janelle - October 12, 2010 - 6:25 pm

Sheryl,
I think that I worked on the fears as much as I knew how to. I had been looking at your website during my engagement for about 6 months and then after my wedding for about 3 months. I think that I have grieved my single identity but I’m not positive. I mean, I had been with my now husband for 10 years so it’s not like that really bothered me too much. I would still say that i have feel some guilt when I choose to spend time with my husband rather then my mother. I’m really working on the uncertainty of marriage, b/c I’m questioning all of my thinking. There are not any issues in my relationship that are cause for concern other than I just can’t stop thinking that I should not be thinking this way. I guess I may have had second thoughts once and a while during our dating relationship but what I meant was that it never drove me to this point- where I can’t get it off of my mind! It’s like I don’t have any specific fears that I can write down anymore b/c I have found through this website that all of my fears are just normal fears. So now I’m trying to figure out why I’m questioning if I did the right thing. Well, I know I did the right thing for me b/c I love my husband- but why wouldn’t I just go back to feeling at ease and relaxed? Does it just take time to get use to the marriage?

Janelle - October 12, 2010 - 6:31 pm

* by the way during right before my husband and I got married we moved from the east coast to the west coast, quit our jobs, recently got new jobs, and we are now living with my sister in law…..so my the transition just isn’t quite complete….after all we were living together for years before we got married and now we’re living with his sister until we get financially stable again…..

Janelle - October 12, 2010 - 6:52 pm

sorry for writing all over your message board- but I just realized when I walked downstairs….that I’m not sure if I completed the turn into an adult transition. I felt like an adult before we got engaged, we were living by ourselves, both had wonderful jobs, and were financially secure. Then when we got engaged I felt all the sudden like an immature kid again? Like I wasn’t a mature adult anymore…I still feel like I should be more mature to be a wife. It seems like I have all of these great expectations, maybe it’s because my parents are divorced and I’m trying to be perfect to someone prevent that from happening. And I know I can’t prevent anything. Thanks for your time everyone I really appreciate it!

admin - October 12, 2010 - 10:35 pm

Yes, it does take time to get used to marriage. But it sounds like there are deeper fears that have been triggered because of the marriage that have to do with your childhood. Clearly your relationship is solid otherwise you wouldn’t have stayed for ten years. But the archetype of marriage is powerful and it will trigger any unconscious fears and beliefs you’ve carried about marriage your whole life but didn’t know you had. Are you in counseling? I would encourage you to consider it. It sounds to me like you would benefit from a deeper exploration of where these fears are coming from and how to work with them effectively.

LT - October 16, 2010 - 7:30 am

Janelle,

I have been reading your comments and cannot BELIEVE how similar we are! It is like reading my own thoughts! I, like you have been married for just a few months. I dated my husband for 11 years before we married and never really questioned our relationship until about three months before the wedding. I was then consumed with the same questions as you – what if I don’t love him enough? Do I really love him? But despite all of these worries, deep, deep down I knew that we were good together and this was just silly fear. However, the fear remained after the marriage and now, exactly like you, I still can’t get it out of my head and I can’t relax and enjoy our marriage. Again, just like you, I am now filled with questions about whether this is someone I want to have children with and if I do, what if it doesn’t work out? My parents also divorced when I was young and it was acrimonious. I have enough insight to know that this is probably why I feel the way I do but there is just no escaping these horrible thoughts. Sheryl, your articles are amazing and it is a major relief to know I am not on my own but I just wonder if I am ever going to get over this and go back to the way I felt when we were just living together. Do you think it is possible?

admin - October 17, 2010 - 2:15 pm

Yes, I know it’s possible to work through the fears and anxiety that arise at any point in the marriage transition. It’s a process and it requires time and commitment, but with the right information and tools, you will find your way to acceptance and tolerance about your marriage.

Janelle - October 30, 2010 - 5:00 pm

LT-

Thanks for responding! I’m sorry that you are going through this but at the same time it’s nice to know I’m not alone. I know that I love my husband, want to be with him, love spending time with him, and love love love laughing together. Last week was such a wonderful one for me! But, of course, the thoughts came back, “is this really going to last forever”? “am i doing the right thing”? You see when I’m not in an anxious state I feel more comfortable addressing those questions, but sometimes my mind just asks the questions over and over again- it drives me crazy! The thought are very annoying and I’m just so sick of them! Then b/c I can’t stop asking myself the questions some days I start to think something must be wrong or i would stop thinking these things. It’s all very frustrating! I hope that you are doing better!

Janelle - October 30, 2010 - 5:01 pm

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magda - November 17, 2010 - 10:40 am

So I too am suffering from huge engagement anxiety. I fell into anxiety, panic, and now am suffering from depression because of all the fears that I thought weren’t ok to feel. My biggest concern is how to still lead a happy relationship with my fiance. It’s like this big vicious circle that I don’t know how to get out of. So he is seeing the fear in my eyes, and I see it in his, but his fears are different. His fears and frustrations are based on the fact that he doesn’t know how to help me, but I don’t know how to help me, and I don’t know how to help him. I feel paralyzed when I’m around him because I’ve been feeling this way for so long. I get so frustrated, that this frustrations turns into anger. I feel angry with myself and with my fiance, and I know I shouldn’t but I just feel so stuck in this one place and don’t know which way to go. I know my fear would like me to run away, but that’s not an option. I feel like I’m in a hole, and it feels like everyday it’s getting bigger and bigger. How does everyone deal with their relationship without affecting the other person and still making them feel loved, even with all these fears flying around.

Cori - November 17, 2010 - 1:18 pm

Hi Magda,

I think personally what helped me with showing love to my Fiance even if i wasnt feeling it or if i was feeling numb or disgust or like i wanted to run was knowing that beneath the surface of the fears i did truly love him (even though the fears can lie to you and tell you that you dont). Knowing that, I was able to show love in certain ways, even though it was very difficult. I think sometimes actions proceed knowledge and sometimes loving (the verb) someone (i.e. saying i love you, doing something nice for them, etc) helps with the process of overcoming your anxiety. also being as open as possible with your fiance about everything. i think for a while i was holding back some thoughts i had in my mind and suddenly i decided i had to talk to him about it. once i opened up to him things began to change drastically. i hope this helps.

Sheryl Paul - November 17, 2010 - 1:22 pm

Beautifully said, Cori. It sounds like you’re doing well! Wonderful…

magda - November 17, 2010 - 4:06 pm

I have been doing little things for him to make him know that I love him, even though the fear is so overwhelming that it makes me believe that I don’t. I get him cards, I had a birthday party for him, and that’s with feeling the fear and depression. I think I’m in this stage that no matter where I turn to, I hit a wall. I do talk to him about what I feel, and I think the problem is that I’ve told him a little too much, that would really make anyone want to run away from me. That’s where all the guilt hits me like a ton of bricks. Then with the guilt I feel the anger. I just get angry at everything and everyone. Most of all I’m just angry that I got everything I wanted it, and now the fear made believe that I just don’t want it anymore. But I know I do. I have the most handsome and loving fiance in my eyes, and I’m just upset that it feels like it’s being taken away from me.

Sarah - November 17, 2010 - 9:31 pm

Hi Magda. I can relate to your worries about telling your fiance too much – I have the same tendency. Even though you think it might have been too much, how did it feel to tell him, to get it off your chest? Something that works for me is just saying things out loud to myself when no one can hear me – even screaming in my car when I’m driving down the highway (it feels really good!)- and then dialoguing with that voice. Saying it out loud and actually hearing myself changes the way I interpret what I’m thinking and I’m better able to detach from those thoughts so they’re not as scary. Another thing I would suggest is mentally checking out the walls you’re running into and being curious about what lessons you’re meant to be learning at this stage. The walls are there for a reason. I know it’s hard and can be confusing since it’s so abstract. When I learned to accept where I’m at in my relationship, and life in general, it opened me up to learning so much about myself, my life, and my man while still staying connected to my core feelings (but in a less scary way). :)

admin - November 18, 2010 - 10:58 am

Sarah – One of the most gratifying parts of my work is hearing the wisdom that spills out of people who have been touched by my work and are now sharing their growth with others. I love what you wrote here. Your growth is evident. You’re getting it and absorbing it and now able to share your wisdom with others! It’s wonderful.

Magda – You will be there too one day. You’re doing everything you can right now to address your fears and wade through the difficult thoughts, feelings and issues. I know it’s hard, but hang in there and you will see progress.

Sarah - November 18, 2010 - 11:20 am

Yes, Magda, you WILL see progress. Just a few short months ago I was a complete wreck and thought it would never end. But alas, things have been getting better and better as I allow myself to be where I’m at.

Sarah - November 21, 2010 - 4:12 pm

Sheryl, thanks for your comment and recognizing my growth. Now the trick is remembering it and accepting that it’s a daily practice. It’s easy to forget the lessons I’ve learned when anxiety rears it’s head – old habits sure do die hard – but to make a conscious effort to check in with what I’m needing at that moment is important. Guess I need to take my own advice and to be more accepting of the ebb-and-flow nature of this transition, which is really the pattern of life.

KP - February 22, 2011 - 11:41 am

We are all going through the same thing. It makes me feel a little less fearful to read what everyone is going through. Today I am feeling a little fearful and I can’t really put my finger on why I might be feeling this way. Fear steals from moments of love with my fiance, we spent a wonderful day together yesterday, but today I woke up frightened whether I will be able to love him forever and wondering just how do people love one another forever? Sometimes my fear will just be there for no reason and steal away from our moments together. I really hate it. Though I feel fearful I am still moving forward with our wedding plans, I do not feel scared all the time, sometimes I am so overjoyed and feel blessed to have found the man I want to spend my life with. My question I ask myself is, how do you know the fear isn’t telling the truth? What makes you connect with love to remind you that your fears are not real? And why do we have these fears in the first place? Thanks.

Erin - June 13, 2011 - 8:41 am

This post made me realize that no matter what we’re conditioned to think about engagement and marriage, that the way I am/have been feeling is normal. Despite my fear, I’ve managed to forge ahead with our wedding plans and now, six weeks away, I’m starting to relax and to truly “feel” all of my emotions, good and bad. Thank you so much for this post!

Sheryl Paul - June 13, 2011 - 9:21 am

Yes, Erin! That’s the gift of this work in a nutshell.

Melissa - July 1, 2011 - 2:04 pm

I got engaged a month ago and we are getting married in July 2012. When we first got engaged I was very very excited and started planning right away. As soon as things started to calm down and sink in, I started having fearful thoughts and anxiety about being engaged and married. Of course I immediately thought that if I was having these thoughts then it must not be right. The anxiety intensified because I thought I would end up calling off our engagement and marriage. The fearful thoughts that so many others have posted (what if marriage changes things? what if I get so scared that I leave?, what if we aren’t the right match?, what if we get divorced?) began to completely take over about 2 weeks ago. We have been dating for 4 1/2 years and have lived together for 3. We have a perfect life together and have never even come close to breaking up. We have talked for years about getting married some day and openly discuss the fact that we are each other’s perfect match. Prior to dating him I always told people I would never get married. When people started pressuring me and asking when we were getting married and why we weren’t married I even told them I wasn’t sure when or if we would get married – just so they would stop asking. I have ALOT of divorce in my family and had a very unstable mother. I believe the reason that this is happening is because I had so many negative thoughts about marriage and a belief that it could never work. I am now having to re-teach myself.

I am very thankful for this website and for the work that you do, Sheryl. I have felt so much better since discovering this website and journaling every day. I am also seeing a therapist so that I can get back to normal and enjoy my engagement and new life with my fiance. My latest fear is that we have SO long until we get married – can I last over a year with these feelings and a roller coaster of emotions? Of course my fear is telling me I cannot last. If you have any advice, please pass it on. Thank you again.

Sheryl Paul - July 1, 2011 - 7:26 pm

Thank you for taking the time to write, share your story, and express your gratitude, and I’m so glad that you found your way here and that it’s provided you with guidance, tools, and comfort. My advice in getting through the next year: take it one day at a time and remind yourself that if you’re anxious one day, it doesn’t mean you’ll be anxious the next or your whole engagement. And remind yourself that, especially because of your history, this is an opportunity to heal your negative fears and beliefs and the more you dive into it, the more you’ll learn and grown. And lastly, have you checked out the Conscious Weddings eCourse? It’s a treasure-trove of information, tools, and, perhaps most powerfully, a community of wise and compassionate women (and a couple of men) that gather to support each other on the private eCourse forum. I can’t recommend it highly enough for the anxiously engaged.

Janelle - December 14, 2011 - 2:58 pm

Sheryl,

Wow! It’s pretty amazing to read my old posts from over a year ago : ) I was so lost : ( Thank god I enrolled in your ecourse, it really helped me to work through my emotions rather than pushing them off to the side! Thank God I took the leap and married my amazing husband! THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!

Janelle

Cornelia - February 26, 2012 - 4:08 am

Hi,

I just came across this website and this post. After being stuck in a relationship with my high school sweetheart for 9 years, which ended with me finally breaking up with him after being depressed and having horrible anxiety which led to agoraphobia. I met my no fiancé just a few weeks after breaking up with my ex, and what I thought was a rebound quickly became serious. We are a perfect match and he is everything I’ve ever wanted in a man. We talked about marriage, kids, finances, the whole nine yards and I couldn’t wait to marry him. I can’t remember ever being that happy. A year and 3 months after we met, he proposed in January. I was thrilled, but then when I picked the wedding vanue and things got “real” I began being consumed by anxiety, fear, sadness, dread. I had a panic attack and broke down and cried yesterday and feel completely lost. I know I want to marry him, but I am soooooo scared. I am also scared I am going to end up calling it off. This website is already helping me so much. I am thinking about buying the e-course, but its expensive! Can any equally stressed and anxious ladies let me know if its worth it?

Thanks

Adelina - February 26, 2012 - 6:35 am

Amazing!I got engaged exactly a month ago, and last Saturday I woke up with some devilish thoughts: started looking up forums on ‘falling out of love’ and other disheartening topics.From there,Sunday morning I woke up crying like a baby,all over the place,telling my fiance I was possibly not in love anymore,missing all emotions.It was like somebody had deleted all my thoughts I’d had for the 1.5 years we’d been together which were love,friendship,affection and briefly,total dedication.All this past week I managed to eat a few apples and a bit of cereal,wanted to go and see a doctor,cried for hours in despair,thought I’d have a heart attack and had suicidal thoughts.Thinking about being in his shoes just gave me the cold shivers…what will he think?Will I start not caring genuinely after all?Am I gonna be watching football every week-end(something I’ve always enjoyed doing with him)?Your post made me so much better.We don’t have wedding plans yet,but it is so comforting to know there is a light at the end of the tunnel!Also,ladies,if anyone is overly-concerned like me,try St.John’s Wort tablets,one a day,it eases the stomach shaking and chases the nasty thoughts away.Bring it on!!!
Adelina

Sheryl Paul - February 26, 2012 - 8:59 am

Hi there – I’m glad you found your way here. You can read about other women’s experiences with the e-course here: http://conscious-transitions.com/what-others-are-saying-about-the-conscious-weddings-e-course/

LC - March 12, 2012 - 5:47 am

Hi

I have just discovered this site and I am crying here, that FINALLY, finally, finally I am not the only one who feels this way!!! Thank you so much everyone! xx I have been with the most wonderful guy for 12 years now, engaged for 5 years, and completely paralysed with fear. But, as I said to my fiance last night ‘if this were a fear/phobia of spiders people would understand, and they certainly wouldn’t take it as a personal insult to THEM – but my fear has the potential to hurt so many people (my fiance, my family and friends) that along with the fear come so much guilt…

But today, I ‘felt the fear and did it anyway’, and have booked our wedding!! I still have another 10 months to get my head around things, but I am DETERMINED I am going to do this – for my fiance, but most importantly for me! I am looking forward to what ‘being married’ has to offer – but am completely petrified too!!!

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!

Sheryl Paul - March 12, 2012 - 10:01 am

You’re most welcome : ).

Lacy - March 18, 2012 - 9:02 pm

Im so glad I ran across this post tonight. Yesterday my fiancé and I went to his cousin’s wedding. While we were watching them say their vows, I was thinking about how he and I will be doing the same in six months, and I don’t know what came over me other than what I could only describe as a panic attack. My face got so hot, I got extremely dizzy and I started to really feel like I was freaking out. All while trying to silently sit there and not interrupt a wedding. I had to calm myself down right then and there, after visions of all possible outcomes of getting married/not getting married ran through my head. I love my fiancé, but sometimes I worry about my fears. At the end of the day, I’m excited to start a life with him, and to be his wife. Some days, I can’t wait to get married. But what scares me are the other days when I look at him and wonder how we will make a marriage last, how we are going to remain in love and grow for the next 60 years. The fears I felt caused more panic because then I began to wonder where my fears were coming from and then worrying myself further thinking “am I doing the right thing?”.
I guess I am just glad to hear that fears are normal. We’ve had several of our friends get divorced this year (we are both in our late twenties), one couple in particular who we had admired and talked about how they were a good example of young married and happy. I’m having to remind myself of this quote I’ve read all over pinterest: “Do not let comparison steal your joy.” I am learning to focus on us and our relationship and stop looking at others and not feeling good enough. Thanks again for sharing! It really helped me tonight!

Sheryl Paul - March 19, 2012 - 3:04 pm

I’m so glad you came across it, too! There’s nothing like reading about another’s similar experience so that you can say, “Okay. I’m normal. I’m not alone.”

For Better or For Worse – by ChristmasBride2006

Occasionally, I’ll be posting some of the most inspirational posts from the Conscious Weddings message board. What follows is one posted by ChristmasBride2006, who also wrote a guest blog here two weeks ago. She was one of the most wise, honest, and supportive members of the boards and I know continues to provide support to countless women through their wedding transition.

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I know one of the biggest things that helped me when I was engaged was hearing and seeing a “true picture” of what marriage/married life was like. Prior to that, none of my close friends were married nor did I have a lot of experience seeing an “insider’s view” of marriage. It was basically this big mystery to me about what happened after you said your vows. So when my parents opened up and talked to me on a peer level about what marriage and daily… Click here to continue reading…

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Belinda - June 10, 2010 - 5:26 pm

LOVE IT! So honest and from the heart. It’s so nice to hear true stories of couples, and to know that every couple out there has problems – rather than just assuming you are the only ones with issues and everyone else’s marriage is perfect. It’s great to hear things from another person’s perspective. Thanks.

Natalie - June 10, 2010 - 5:30 pm

This was 6 months after my wedding. I remember her going through this at the same time I was figuring out my marriage, myself, my relationship…. everything. I keep in touch with her often and am so glad that Anna is an online friend of mine. She helped me through many rough periods while I figured out what all those conflicting feelings, emotions, and thoughts meant for me and my marriage.

Marriage really is all about ups and downs. Not just months apart or years apart, but even days apart within the same week. DH and I are going through a change right now while he reassess his career and figures out what he wants to do with his life after losing his job. I’ve had many of those old thoughts and feelings resurface. However, I now know what they all are and what they all mean (I’m having a hard time with life not going as “planned,” wondering all these things about us and about me, and facing some of my big fears in life overall). ChristmasBride2006 and many others from the Conscious Brides site helped me figure it all out, and I am forever grateful to them. :)

Anna (ChristmasBride) - June 10, 2010 - 6:03 pm

How funny! I totally remember this time – it was really tough! We have been in our house for 2.5 years now but I can remember this time like it was yesterday.

You want to know something ironic? We just bought a car and had to finance part of it … my husband was not really thrilled to add another debt. But this time we handled it sooo much better than the house purchase and we are working so well together to do what we need to do to pay down this unexpected cost and find our “financial-legs” (to borrow a term from Sheryl). We definitely feel more like a team than working against each other… probably because we went through what we did with purchasing our house. I understand my husband so much better.

Gosh there are so many great women (including Natalie) that I met from Conscious Weddings. I really don’t think I would be able to handle transitions like I can now without having gone through the engagement anxiety.

Jannelle - June 16, 2010 - 1:41 pm

Hello All: How did you feel during your engagement? I have been feeling like a “bipolar” person. I have been with my fiance for 10 years and engaged for the past year- our wedding is next month. Lately, I have been feeling so confused—one minute I’m so excited that I get to spend the rest of my life with man and the next minute- absolutely terrified and in tears asking myself if I’m doing the right thing. I feel like I’m not connecting with him like I use to all the time—sometimes it feels like I’m just going through the motions an mentally I’m gone. Other times, when I’m not stressed out I’ll laugh with him like how we used to before we were engaged- and everything just feels so meant to be. Has anyone else experienced these feelings? After the vows are said and the wedding is over will my relationship go back to normal? I don’t have any doubts about the relationship, in fact I know I always want him to be in my life- but the word “marriage” is what is really scaring me! How long after the wedding does it take to be back in your normal fun loving relationship without all these crazy marriage fears???

Natalie - June 16, 2010 - 3:35 pm

Janelle… first off, congratulations on your upcoming wedding. Second, everything you wrote, I felt during my engagement and after my wedding (I found Sheryl’s website after my wedding), so trust me, you’re OK. I met Anna through Sheryl’s site, as well as many other women who all have written what you just wrote in one way or another. So trust me when I say what you’re feeling is very normal.

I encourage you to read through some of Sheryl’s archives here and go to her Conscious Weddings site. If the message board is still up (closed to posting, but I believe you can still read on there), you’ll find many posts that will help you feel not so alone.

As for timelines… don’t give yourself one. You said it already… when you’re calm and not fixating on everything, your relationship is good, healthy, solid, fun, etc. Remember that. Focus on that when you’re anxious. Write a list of all the things you love about your fiance and about your relationship and read it when you’re feeling particularly anxious. But don’t limit yourself to when you should “feel better.” I’m getting ready to celebrate 3 years of married life and, while I’m a million times less anxious than I was when I got married, new changes in life still spark those feelings (moving, changing jobs, talking about having kids). So while they diminish, don’t think they have to completely go away. You’ll just learn what they are and how to deal with them on your own terms. Don’t give yourself a time limit (I know, I’m repeating myself, but that’s very important). Feel what you need to feel. Process it all. And keep reminding yourself that what you have is good and real and solid. As you adjust to your new role as a wife and figure out what marriage means to you and your fiance, your expectations will lessen and you’ll feel more comfortable with it all.

Finally, you’re a month away from your wedding. Things are going to get busy. Last minute details, family coming into town, people saying things like “Aren’t you so excited?” (I HATED that question personally). Be kind to yourself. For most brides I’ve talked to, anxious or not, the month and weeks leading up to the wedding were almost always overwhelming to them. That is so normal! Give yourself some time to just sit and be. Little details don’t matter much at this point. Breathe, get done what you can, and enjoy your day, knowing you’re entering into the next phase of your life with a solid, loving, stable partner whose company you truly enjoy.

Good luck!

Jannelle - June 16, 2010 - 4:09 pm

Natalie,

Thank you soooo much for your post…I was actually crying as I was reading your post…it is soooo nice to feel normal! It is funny when other family members are completely focusing on the stuff for the wedding and what they can buy for us when in all reality I want a beautiful wedding (of course) but more importantly I just want to feel connected to my fiance that day and that scares me that the fear will overwhelm me.

I keep reminding myself that I could feel absolutely amazing that day or horrible and like i’m making a huge mistake…but i’m starting to come to peace with that whatever I feel that day. It really doesn’t matter how I feel –because at the end of the day that’s just one day in my life…and I get to make new memories everyday with my soon to be husband.

To be honest if I had to choose feeling special on my wedding day or feeling “emotionally stable” during the days afterwards, I would choose feeling great during my marriage!

Also, I really wonder if any woman glides through her engagement b/c I know other people think it has been “so easy” for me. I would never even dream of talking to either of our families about this. First I would feel ashamed and second they would just laugh b/c our families our so close to each other. They have seen my fiance and I basically grow up together since we were 18 years old. And they know that we’ll be fine. Actually my brother said to me …”so last chance to get out” (joking around) and my mother said….”hahahha yeah right they’ve been together for 10 years I think she would’ve decided that by now”– which, when I think about that it’s so true—if I ever wanted to leave I would have by now—I’ve always wanted this—so there in lies the confusion-Thanks for your post! It really helped!!

How did you feel on your wedding day?

Natalie - June 16, 2010 - 5:13 pm

Janelle…

I’m glad my reply helped. I know just realizing there were others out there who “got it” helped me heal more than anything. On my wedding day, I felt disconnected. I hated it at the time, but it was what it was and now, I’m OK with it. As I said, I didn’t find Sheryl’s site until after my wedding (really the week before, but I didn’t dive in until after my wedding). I only talked to my father because I was afraid others would tell me my fears meant I shouldn’t get married or that DH and I were wrong for each other. Then I found Sheryl’s site and now, 3 years later, my whole perspective on marriage/weddings/relationships is different… and I feel it’s much more realistic.

Jannelle - June 16, 2010 - 6:18 pm

Thanks for letting me know! It is so nice to her peoples stories that are already married. The other day I was at the doctor and the doctor knew that I was getting married and she told me that she turned into a crazy person two weeks before her wedding because she didn’t know how she could spend forever with her soon to be husband! And then another relative told me her engagement story and she’s in her 60′s. She said that her husband had actually called off the wedding and broke up with her for 4 months because of “cold feet”. They have now been married for over 30 years!! I wish I knew about all of these types of stories before my fiance proposed- even though I would have said that I wouldn’t feel that way!

I feel so lucky that I’m able to talk to my fiance about all of my new found craziness! At first, I was really nervous and thought he’d leave me. However, it was the exact opposite and he has been more than supportive throughout this roller coaster ride. Now I know that I can tell him anything and no matter what he’d never EVER leave! It’s so comforting knowing that I’m entering a marriage where he and I will truly be there “for better or worse and in sickness and in health”. I will smile when we say those vows because through this engagement I’ve learned that to be the case!

Jannelle - June 24, 2010 - 12:58 pm

Natalie,

Could you describe to me a little bit more how you were feeling during your engagement. My engagement has been filled mainly with tears and second guessing my decision. There rarely is a day that goes by where I haven’t been upset for at least a few hours. I’ll ask myself “Is this the right guy? Is this what I really want? Am I lying to myself about wanting this b/c this should be so much easier? Why can our relationship just go back to care free? Why do I feel so miserable?

I am so sick about thinking about this every second of the day. It is like I can’t focus on anything else. I am hoping that after we get married I won’t be worrying about this all the time. I can’t believe that I am feeling like this- one word to describe it is shocking!! I have wanted this for 10 years!! This is definitely the worst year and I just feel so heartbroken. I want this all to go away- I just want to stop thinking about all of these negative things. I just want to be happy again. And by the way nothing in our relationship has changed since we got engaged- so that is why I think I should be the same carefree girl!

Did you second guess your decision every day or just once in a while? What was the extent of second guessing? Were you in tears or could you just laugh it off? One of the red flags is “It doesn’t feel right” Did you always think it felt right or did you second guess that? My relationship feels right when I am not stressing. But I find myself stressing a lot and it is so aggravating!

There is something inside me that thinks this is all going to be fine once were married and the pressure (that I’m putting on myself) is gone. I know that I do NOT want to call the wedding or the marriage off— it is just so scary—and I don’t want to fail! I really do think that these are just wedding nerves but sometimes those nerves are very convincing!! Any advice would be so helpful!

Natalie - June 24, 2010 - 3:04 pm

Janelle…

I don’t need to describe how I felt during my engagement because you just did. It’s not a fun place… I remember it all too well.

Also, the red flag of “it doesn’t feel right” isn’t one thos of us “Conscious Brides” can really lean on. I don’t recall that being one of Sheryl’s red flags, but it’s been a while since I’ve read the list. When you’re overcome with anxiety to the point you are, it’s hard to trust what you’re feeling as what’s “true” and what’s “fear.” More often than not, it’s fear… intense, horrifying, horrible fear. The best advice I received… when in those intense fear moments, don’t make any decisions.

You’re getting closer and closer to your wedding, so it makes total sense to me that you’re feeling more and more anxious. Have you made lists of what it is you love about your fiance and what you love about your relationship to him? A list of positives helps, even if you just read it when anxious and don’t necessarily believe it at that time. The counter to that list is a list of what scares you specifically. If the list is filled with “It doesn’t feel right” types of things, I’d chalk it up to fear. “It doesn’t feel right” is a very vague feeling/idea. What does it mean to have it “feel right?” You and your fiance are two different people. If your list of fears included “He comes home and drinks until he passes out and is verbally abusive to me,” then yeah, that to me is a red flag. But if it’s “I like musicals and he doesn’t” or “he doesn’t talk about feelings as much as I do,” I’d think that’s fear nitpicking at every little difference you could possibly find. Even “I hate the way his nose looks” or “I wish he’d pluck that unibrow.” Differences are good. In my opinion, questioning is good too. It means you’re taking this seriously.

I know it sounds simple, but just be kind to yourself. You said it yourself… you’ve wanted this for 10 years. Prior to this anxiety, you felt secure in your relationship. Trust that, even when you can’t feel it.

To answer your question specifically… I felt anxious every day as well, so don’t think that means something is seriously wrong. Some days were worse than others. I felt most anxious when I had to work on something specific for the wedding. So it’s OK. Find something that helps calm you down… journaling, a warm bath, walking in nature, sitting with your fiance just “being” while watching a comedy…. something and try to do it for at least an hour a day. It’s a hard way to feel, but you and I aren’t the only ones who’ve felt that way.

Jannelle - June 24, 2010 - 4:53 pm

Thank you so much, you are like my angel during this difficult time. I did make a list of things and it has helped, but this fear is very amazing–it’s unreal! I kinda thought the “it doesn’t feel right” was an easy one to lean. The other red flags were pretty straight forward and “it doesn’t feel right” is easy to question. For me saying “it doesn’t feel right” is just saying that they way I’m feeling doesn’t feel right nothing to do with my relationship. My relationship feels right! Thanks for saying “Prior to this anxiety, you felt secure in your relationship. Trust that, even when you can’t feel it.” I have been telling myself the same thing! I also liked your advice of “don’t make any decisions when you’re in the fear moments”. It’s embarrassing to say but I have been on the floor in the fetal position just crying a few times during our engagment- and thank God my fiance knows who I really am- even when I can’t find the real me!

Thanks again, I smile and cry tears of happiness every time I read your responses. It is so nice to hear that this is normal and it is really sad that more people don’t talk about this! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!

Natalie - June 24, 2010 - 5:08 pm

Whether or not it’s “normal,” it was normal for me, and it’s normal for you. I think most brides go through this on some level… we’re just some of the lucky ones who go through it with a hypersensitivity to it all! Isn’t it great? :)

I’m glad I can be of some help. Focus on what you knew prior to the engagement anxiety and the fact that your fiance is so kind and good that he understands this is not about him. He really does sound like a keeper. :)

JT - July 29, 2010 - 1:41 pm

Jannelle,

Everything you wrote is exactly how I’m feeling now. My wedding is 3 months away and I feel like I’m going crazy. I’m just wondering if you have had your wedding already and if you did, How did you feel on your wedding day? I’m so scared that I’m going to feel so disconnected from my fiance which is how I feel now. And I fear that this will all carry over till after my wedding. I’d love to hear how you feel now.

Janelle - July 29, 2010 - 4:26 pm

I’m actually two days away from my wedding and i’m feeling much better..it’s definitely the anticipation of it all that got me! my best advice is to not be scared to feel your feelings and to know that you’re not a horrible person… i thought that i was trying to feel my feelings but i was actually entreching them further…now that i have let go and stopped trying to control me feelings…i’ve realized that everything will be fine…..i would have to say that i was definitely depressed and the inner bonding website and videos helped me sooo much and made me feel like i wasn’t a horrible person..i’m still working through those fear feelings but i’m so much better now! good luck the engagement period is absolutely horrible but so worth it!

JT - July 30, 2010 - 7:41 am

Oh I’m so happy to hear that. The one thing that I keep doing is trying to feel my feelings. Like trying to feel my love for my fiance and when I can’t I start to freak out and my doubts and fears start to take control of me. I’ve started to realize that I can’t just will my self to feel a certain way, but I consistantly do it. Then everytime I’m around my fiance I start to get anxious cause I’m not feeling the way I want to. Its like a never ending cycle. I’m certainly better then I was before I found this site but all my fears are still there.
I’m happy to hear that you are doing better and wish you all the best this weekend!!!!

Sheryl Paul - July 30, 2010 - 10:06 am

There’s a very important distinction that needs to be made between feeling the core transition feelings of grief, loss, disorientation, and loneliness and the feelings that are created by the anxious, fear-based thoughts. It’s critical to allow yourself to feel the core feelings and to understand what the fear-based thoughts are that are creating the anxiety and depression. The tricky thing about transitions – especially the wedding – is that we have so many false beliefs and unrealistic expectations that make it challenging to just allow the core transition feelings to emerge without attaching meaning to them. For example, if you’re feeling disconnected from yourself – which is a hallmark of the liminal stage – you will naturally feel disconnected from everyone around you, including your fiance. We then think, “Oh my god. I’m not feeling connected to my fiance. I must not love him enough. I must be making a mistake. What’s wrong with me?” and the vicious cycle begins. So much of this work around the wedding transition is discovering and then letting go of the unrealistic expectations and then allowing the core feelings to just be that: a feeling.

JT - July 30, 2010 - 10:37 am

Sheryl,

That is exactly how I feel. I don’t feel connected to myself or anyone around me. That exact thought went through my head that this must mean I don’t love my fiance. That we’re not meant to be together. But before all of these emotions and fears started happening I never had a second thought about marrying him. I’ve been with him for 10 years and I’ve always known he was the one. Its just now when we’re together my thoughts are constantly obsessing over how I am feeling and I get so worked up. Luckily he is so supportive and I’m able to talk to him about all of this. I’m almost jealous of him at times because he says that he is scared too but he seems to be able to handle so much better than me and I get so upset. I’ve just been trying to tell myself that these are all normal feelings and reading this blog really helps me to understand it a little better.

admin - July 30, 2010 - 4:04 pm

They ARE normal feelings, I promise you. They’re the defining feelings of any transition, but they’re so difficult to validate around a wedding because they’re directly opposed to what we’re told we SHOULD be feeling.

PJ - August 27, 2010 - 9:39 am

Sheryl,

I guess another fear in all this that I have is “what is love?” How do I know if “I was ever in love” if I’ve never really known what to compare love to, how do I know “I’m in love”. Basically, what I’m saying is, is that I have no idea what love is, and since I’m having these fears and doubts about the wedding, this must mean I’m not in love right? Anybody else have these thoughts?

JT - August 27, 2010 - 10:53 am

I have had these same thoughts too. I’ve been with my fiance for 10 years he is the only relationship I have ever been in. I’ve never wanted to be with anyone else and still don’t. When I start questioning whether or not I truelly love my fiance its so hard for me to know because I have nothing to compare it too. Then I start question “What is love?”, “How do I know I’m in love?”, “Does this mean I don’t love him?”. What has helped me is identifying these thoughts as anxious thoughts and trying not to engage them. If I do, the whole cycle of negative thoughts gets stronger and I can’t get out of. I have spent a lot of time with my thoughts trying to really get to know what is driving this. And I’m scared, I’m scared to get married, I’m scared to commit myself to someone for the rest of my life, I’m scared to grow up, I’m scared to be responsible for myself and someone else. I am scared to death of all the “What ifs”. But I know deep down that I am exactly where I want to be because I choose to be here and if I ran away from all this I would probably be scared with the next person I would be with.

It really does help to identify the thoughts as a fear and the fact that your in a transition of the total unknown and just let yourself be and talking about it really helps. It has taken me awhile to be at this point and this site has really helped me.

PJ - August 27, 2010 - 11:05 am

Yep, those are the same questions running through my head this very instance. This is my longest relationship I’ve ever been in, where before, I only dated, never was a “relationship type”. I find myself really wondering if I’m in love, and if I ever really was that into my fiance or loved my fiance. The assumption is that when your engaged and getting married, your supposed to be “in love” but theres no crystal ball telling me whether I’m actually in love with my partner, and since I don’t feel a certain way, maybe I’m not. Thus, I shouldn’t be getting married to somebody I don’t think or know I’m in love with. The fear is “who wants to get married to somebody they are not in love with?” However, how do I even know that I quote “love” my fiance?

JT - August 27, 2010 - 2:38 pm

The expectation of how to feel is certainly something that I have struggled with as well. But who is to say we are suppose to feel something. The assumption that when we get married or engaged we are suppose to be “in love” – thats exactly what it is an assumption. Who is to tell us how we are suppose to feel. You feel what you feel and thats it, its just a feeling. I just try to focus on how I felt before I was engaged. I was happy with my fiance and knew that I wanted to be with him before all these fears started coming up.

PJ - August 30, 2010 - 8:53 am

Thanks, yeah, its just tough right now, getting better

KD - September 8, 2010 - 1:27 pm

So thankful to have come across this post today. Everything mentioned above has been a thought in my head these past weeks. Never did I imagine myself to be going through this right now – to be completely overtaken by fear, doubt, to feel completely disconnected from my fiance, my friends and even myself. It hurts. It is all-consuming. It forgets the last 5 years I’ve spent with someone, and the positivity and hopefulness I had (or thought I had) before becoming engaged. I probably would have broken off the engagement had I not found Conscious Weddings/Conscious Transitions. Thank you for reassuring me, again, that it is OK. Yes, these fears may go away, or they may get worse, but to face them.

In all of this, I am curious, how do we best deal with our significant other? He has been so patient and supportive, but I can only imagine what my reaction would be if the tables were turned.

Gmjersey - September 11, 2010 - 9:31 am

I’m also curious on how to handle my fiance. He is so supportive and I like to share with him but sometimes i feel like i’m going to cause him more grief by telling him every little thing i feel. I also am having trouble getting motivated at all- I feel so depressed at times. Is anyone else having a hard time planning the actual wedding when you feel doubt and fear and anxiety? I try to get things done when I’m in a good mood and feel good but I wish i was enjoying the planning a bit more.

KD - September 15, 2010 - 5:15 pm

I know it’s hard to think about the day when you’re feeling so down. I’m struggling with that now. When my maid of honor is sending me a free subscription to “Brides” magazine, my friend is providing design concepts for the save the dates, and my future mother-in-law wants to know what color dress she should avoid, it’s challenging to put up a happy front and not clue them in to what you’re really thinking. Don’t feel forced to plan. Planning will come when you’re feeling better. Just surround yourself with people you can trust as much as possible now.